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[Budh]

This is why i live in the bush Fuck the city shit drives me fucken nutty!!

[bageled]

I disagree about the parents spots, they are good for a number of reasons, but what it really boils down to is that having an infant to care for makes your life a heck of a lot harder, and having a wider spot closer to the front is a small courtesy. It’s not for the parent, it’s for the kid. I remember looking for a park one time and my daughter started crying in the back seat. Because of her age, and the mental development at the time, she had not developed object permanence, meaning if she couldn’t see it, it didn’t exist. So she is in the backwards facing seat(standard for under 12 months), and starts crying, and no matter what I said or sang, she just kept escalating and pretty soon was shrieking, in full freak out mode. By the time I found a park and got to her she was drenched in tears and snot, and literally shaking in terror. Taking those parents spots means you could be putting a little person through that, for no better reason than to save yourself a hundred metre walk. Taking those spots when you don’t need them is like stealing from a baby.

[cowcar]

Taking those spots when you don’t need them is like stealing from a baby.

And i am quite comfortable with that.
My point is that on a weekend perhaps the child should be left at home if this is going to be an issue, after all it is the only time most people who work can go to the shops: the consideration thing cuts both ways.

[bageled]

You set up a strawman and knock it down cow. I work full time, as does my wife and we have a child. I am surrounded by young families, and most of them didn't even take 12 months maternity leave before returning to work, most took only 6 months, one took only 4. The stay at home housewife is a thing of the past.

[YosimeteSam]

I disagree about the parents spots, they are good for a number of reasons, but what it really boils down to is that having an infant to care for makes your life a heck of a lot harder, and having a wider spot closer to the front is a small courtesy. It’s not for the parent, it’s for the kid. I remember looking for a park one time and my daughter started crying in the back seat. Because of her age, and the mental development at the time, she had not developed object permanence, meaning if she couldn’t see it, it didn’t exist. So she is in the backwards facing seat(standard for under 12 months), and starts crying, and no matter what I said or sang, she just kept escalating and pretty soon was shrieking, in full freak out mode. By the time I found a park and got to her she was drenched in tears and snot, and literally shaking in terror. Taking those parents spots means you could be putting a little person through that, for no better reason than to save yourself a hundred metre walk. Taking those spots when you don’t need them is like stealing from a baby.

No child i have heard crying has died dude! We as humans have been going to the shops/markets for century's. It's only come in the last 4~5 years. We did fine with out them buddy. You need to remember, the population in this country has grown a shite load in the last 20 years. It's called congestion tiger, get used to it. It's only going to get worse. If your arms are sore princess, go to the gym and harden up, or else, do what the mum's do..use a pram you idiot

No amount of screaming/crying or hysterics from a 12 month old little girl will do her any harm.

Love
Sammy

I will continue ro use the baby car spaces as i said earlier, It's a choice not a disability....
 

[Carples]

Having Martina push you around in the baby seat is bad form, the concrete is bad enough no wonder the guy asked you!
My wife has had the last 2 years off, and wants a new house and wants to buy stuff.
Bageled we will install bash strips on your door so you can just bang every other car when you need to get out and hope it is cows car.
You can use them Sammy last time I saw you, you looked pregnant anyway, and probably need the extra width to get into your car.
Aren't you a software salesman cow go do a sales call on Bras r Us if you need to go shopping for new lingerie.
Honestly though they could put the parents spaces up the back then only those that need them would want them.

[Virgil83]

You set up a strawman and knock it down cow. I work full time, as does my wife and we have a child. I am surrounded by young families, and most of them didn't even take 12 months maternity leave before returning to work, most took only 6 months, one took only 4. The stay at home housewife is a thing of the past.

As rare as it is, I gotta agree with bageled on this one... we were in the same boat, three kids under 3 at one point and both of us working... there was no opportunity to go to the shops during the week, so just like everyone else in the rat race it was weekend trips.  Those parents with prams parks are very handy if you can get one... but by the same token there were times when other people parked there (those without kids) and we had to find a park out the way of woop-woop...

However, it is just a convienience thing, I don't really think that people without young kids (those still in prams) should be using them, and we certainly stopped once our kids were walking rather than being pushed around.  There isn't always an option to leave the kids at home, there were a lot of times my ex-wife had to go by herself because I was on weekend work, and these parks were instituted to help out those parents who were probably already having a tough time of it trying to get their shopping done with kids who were upset, bored, hungry, wanting to go to the toilet every 5 seconds or whatever. 

I pretty much think of it as akin to parking in disabled spots when you're not entitled... sure, you can do it, but it just isn't cricket.

[DonutKing]

Don't have sex, problem solved.

[jazzycat]

Because of her age, and the mental development at the time, she had not developed object permanence, meaning if she couldn’t see it, it didn’t exist. So she is in the backwards facing seat(standard for under 12 months), and starts crying, and no matter what I said or sang, she just kept escalating and pretty soon was shrieking, in full freak out mode.

Would a photo or a mirror help? I don't have kids yet myself and only dealt with this stage of my niece and nephew briefly, so if that doesn't do squat ohwell, but I'm curious to know if it's work? :3

Didn't know you could sing either! Will you sing on TS for me? I'm curious to know what that sounds like too!! Lol

[cowcar]

You set up a strawman and knock it down cow. I work full time, as does my wife and we have a child. I am surrounded by young families, and most of them didn't even take 12 months maternity leave before returning to work, most took only 6 months, one took only 4. The stay at home housewife is a thing of the past.

Straw man? From someone who claimed that taking a car park was stealing from a baby?... and as much as I appreciate anecdotal evidence to support an argument, I thought instead I would bring some facts and figures in. The average mother in Australia takes 9 months maternity leave from their job, but then 75% go back to part time work only. So in fact 75% of families have someone not working full time, and therefore with enough time to go and do the shopping during a non busy time. I also note that in your anecdotal evidence you did not include your brother?
http://www.theage.com.au/national/warning-on-baby-leave-20100102-lmlu.html

[cowcar]

I pretty much think of it as akin to parking in disabled spots when you're not entitled... sure, you can do it, but it just isn't cricket.

So you are equating having children to being disabled!? Rubbish, and I am pretty sure the disabled people didn’t choose to be that way...

[Damit]

Because of her age, and the mental development at the time, she had not developed object permanence, meaning if she couldn’t see it, it didn’t exist. So she is in the backwards facing seat(standard for under 12 months), and starts crying, and no matter what I said or sang, she just kept escalating and pretty soon was shrieking, in full freak out mode.

Would a photo or a mirror help? I don't have kids yet myself and only dealt with this stage of my niece and nephew briefly, so if that doesn't do squat ohwell, but I'm curious to know if it's work? :3

Didn't know you could sing either! Will you sing on TS for me? I'm curious to know what that sounds like too!! Lol

I know if Bageled started to sing to me I would start crying more as well

[naf]

If you don't think there should be family car spots complain to your shopping centre, they are the ones providing them to families and not to the lazy fatties.

[DonutKing]

Fuck yeah we should have lazy fat people parking spots, brilliant idea naf.
I'm in favour of anything that makes my trip to the food court more convenient.

[naf]

Exactly! morally I will be unable to park in them.