Death Inc

Bit of a moral question.

The other day I go to the hardware store to get a 2 bags of cement. The place was busy and there was only one trolley in the trolley bay, and it was one of those with the kiddy seat. Now there is no way I am going to carry around 40kg of cement, so I needed a trolley. But then the kiddy ones are for people with kids.
Is it ok for me to take the kiddy trolley?

Yes. I'd do it and not think twice about it. You need it as much as anyone else.

because of you i had to carry my kid and 2 bags of cement...

don't all trolleys have a kiddy seat?

It's fine. Nobody else was using the trolley and you needed it.

Reporting this to the police as we speak.

I'm cool with it. If you took the child seat (we are talking the kind like a kid's car seat right) trolley when there were other options you'd be a bit of a dick, but it'd be completely unreasonable to expect you to go without a trolley when there's one in the rank.

Parents get so many benefits these days anyway:
-special car parks near the shop entrance
-money from government
-have had sex at least once

Taking all this into account, I don't think it is unreasonable to take the trolley with the child seat.

was it one of these?

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similar naf, but more bunnings and less hot wheels

Well I did take the trolley.
The reason I'e asked is one of the bunnings staff commented  something like "wheres the baby", in short he judged me. I replied something along the lines of that the bunnings staff should spend more time collecting trolleys from the carpark, but it made me think.

I'd hardly think a minimum wage bunnings employee is entitled to judge anyone. He probably smokes drugs and has tattoos

Why does this discount ability to judge people?

Take the trolley. For this exact reason, and it's also part of their customer service. Otherwise if you throw your back out while lugging around 2 x 40kg bag of cement because there wasn't any trolleys available they're possibly liable for negligence. If you want, I can ask my friend who's a Bunnings staffer next time I see them, lol. :D

Bah fuck em i say! With the trolley and the dude at bunnings.... i would have said, ummm how about instead of standing there like a stale bottle of piss and doing no work except judging me, go fetch me a fucken non kiddy trolley or hire some Indians to do it! I shall wait here tiger :P

Same with the parents park at the front of super markets, WTF! It's a choice not a fucken disability. I certainly managed to raise 3 kids with no parent parking or kiddy trolleys.

I always park in those spots if they are free, fuckem.. plus the ones for the elderly. My theory being that i am there on the weekend, the only time of the week i can go, whilst the elderly and mothers with prams can go anytime during the week. So if they decide to go up at the same time then they can have the same parking issues, or come back later in the week...

This is why i live in the bush Fuck the city shit drives me fucken nutty!!

I disagree about the parents spots, they are good for a number of reasons, but what it really boils down to is that having an infant to care for makes your life a heck of a lot harder, and having a wider spot closer to the front is a small courtesy. It’s not for the parent, it’s for the kid. I remember looking for a park one time and my daughter started crying in the back seat. Because of her age, and the mental development at the time, she had not developed object permanence, meaning if she couldn’t see it, it didn’t exist. So she is in the backwards facing seat(standard for under 12 months), and starts crying, and no matter what I said or sang, she just kept escalating and pretty soon was shrieking, in full freak out mode. By the time I found a park and got to her she was drenched in tears and snot, and literally shaking in terror. Taking those parents spots means you could be putting a little person through that, for no better reason than to save yourself a hundred metre walk. Taking those spots when you don’t need them is like stealing from a baby.

And i am quite comfortable with that.
My point is that on a weekend perhaps the child should be left at home if this is going to be an issue, after all it is the only time most people who work can go to the shops: the consideration thing cuts both ways.

You set up a strawman and knock it down cow. I work full time, as does my wife and we have a child. I am surrounded by young families, and most of them didn't even take 12 months maternity leave before returning to work, most took only 6 months, one took only 4. The stay at home housewife is a thing of the past.

No child i have heard crying has died dude! We as humans have been going to the shops/markets for century's. It's only come in the last 4~5 years. We did fine with out them buddy. You need to remember, the population in this country has grown a shite load in the last 20 years. It's called congestion tiger, get used to it. It's only going to get worse. If your arms are sore princess, go to the gym and harden up, or else, do what the mum's do..use a pram you idiot :P

No amount of screaming/crying or hysterics from a 12 month old little girl will do her any harm.

Love
Sammy

I will continue ro use the baby car spaces as i said earlier, It's a choice not a disability....
 

Having Martina push you around in the baby seat is bad form, the concrete is bad enough no wonder the guy asked you!
My wife has had the last 2 years off, and wants a new house and wants to buy stuff.
Bageled we will install bash strips on your door so you can just bang every other car when you need to get out and hope it is cows car.
You can use them Sammy last time I saw you, you looked pregnant anyway, and probably need the extra width to get into your car.
Aren't you a software salesman cow go do a sales call on Bras r Us if you need to go shopping for new lingerie.
Honestly though they could put the parents spaces up the back then only those that need them would want them.

As rare as it is, I gotta agree with bageled on this one... we were in the same boat, three kids under 3 at one point and both of us working... there was no opportunity to go to the shops during the week, so just like everyone else in the rat race it was weekend trips.  Those parents with prams parks are very handy if you can get one... but by the same token there were times when other people parked there (those without kids) and we had to find a park out the way of woop-woop...

However, it is just a convienience thing, I don't really think that people without young kids (those still in prams) should be using them, and we certainly stopped once our kids were walking rather than being pushed around.  There isn't always an option to leave the kids at home, there were a lot of times my ex-wife had to go by herself because I was on weekend work, and these parks were instituted to help out those parents who were probably already having a tough time of it trying to get their shopping done with kids who were upset, bored, hungry, wanting to go to the toilet every 5 seconds or whatever. 

I pretty much think of it as akin to parking in disabled spots when you're not entitled... sure, you can do it, but it just isn't cricket.

Don't have sex, problem solved.

Would a photo or a mirror help? I don't have kids yet myself and only dealt with this stage of my niece and nephew briefly, so if that doesn't do squat ohwell, but I'm curious to know if it's work? :3

Didn't know you could sing either! Will you sing on TS for me? I'm curious to know what that sounds like too!! Lol :D

Straw man? From someone who claimed that taking a car park was stealing from a baby?... and as much as I appreciate anecdotal evidence to support an argument, I thought instead I would bring some facts and figures in. The average mother in Australia takes 9 months maternity leave from their job, but then 75% go back to part time work only. So in fact 75% of families have someone not working full time, and therefore with enough time to go and do the shopping during a non busy time. I also note that in your anecdotal evidence you did not include your brother?
http://www.theage.com.au/national/warning-on-baby-leave-20100102-lmlu.html

So you are equating having children to being disabled!? Rubbish, and I am pretty sure the disabled people didn’t choose to be that way...

I know if Bageled started to sing to me I would start crying more as well

If you don't think there should be family car spots complain to your shopping centre, they are the ones providing them to families and not to the lazy fatties.

Fuck yeah we should have lazy fat people parking spots, brilliant idea naf.
I'm in favour of anything that makes my trip to the food court more convenient.

Exactly! morally I will be unable to park in them.

There is no height restriction is there?   ???

Even if they did the fatty car park, it would be just as ludicrous and just as unenforceable as the parents one. So no need to complain to the shopping center, just ignore them...

your loss is my gain.

+1 to that and could not agree more.. to you lads that are parents, harden the fact up! It's YOUR choice to have kids, next you will be all wanting to be picked up in a mini bus, just like the disabled folk.

Get real guys, seriously i can not believe you are all crying about it. Park the darn car, as close as possible, pull the pram out, put said child/children in a pram, or if NOT disabled they can walk just like you.

Oh carps, I would rather be a tad tubby, than a little bitch crying cause a fat prick like me with no pram took your precious cars with prams car park ROFL :P

I have 3 kids and i certainly managed before the cars with prams suddenly appeared  :PDT_Armataz_01_14: Vicki and I have worked full time raising our 3. Imagine a 4, 5 and 6 year old at the shops.. just like you ladies I dealt with it with out the fancy car park. Oh and millions more before you guys have done it too  ;D

Virgil, sorry to rain on your parade, your not disabled buddy. to even consider putting them in the same basket as a disabled park is silly. I have NEVEr parked in one of those and most certainly never will!

Sammy I resemble that remark and already have the mini van (but I drive it) has sliding doors so normal parks are not an issue(http://). But really moving walkways from the parents spots would be nice don't you think.
Child seats can be a difficult super safety cocoon,  not like the ones you probably used
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I feel sorry for people jamming kids into regular cars with swing doors

What really gets me is big truck drivers expecting to use 2 lanes to turn left just cause they have a crap turning circle, I mean really why not just do 3 right hand turns around the block and not inconvenience the rest of us  :-*

LOL :P Carples,

Yes indeed we had horse and cart, you caught me. As for the trucks, no choice in taking to lanes, the laws of turning a 19 metre vehicle is what it is..you just have to get your head around that one mate.

As for the mini van, i thought that meant you dun get any sex anymore 8)

wow this thread has really changed direction since i last looked...

as for the car park thing, i can see both sides of the coin. parent parking can be both a curse and a blessing. i can see the need in the more congested areas of the city and popular shopping centres. i can see them reducing the risk factor for families and parking but it makes parking for people like me a nightmare.

i would say one of the bigger reasons they are there is for potential legal reasons, shopping centres getting sued or something for the parking space was not big enough or some crap like that.

now it is the really tiny cars that park all the way in so you cannot see them in the car park are the ones that really annoy me.

Strawman fallacy

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Yeah, when I said "akin" to parking in a disabled carpark, I wasn't equating it to being on par with being disabled... but thanks for the sensationalism cowcar... what I meant was, it's a carpark designated with a certain set of criteria... perhaps a better analogy would have been "I equate parking in the parents with prams carparks with parking in the reserved carparks at come centres, like the ones that say 'Reserved for Doctor XXX-XXX" or something... techncially you CAN do it, unless you're a terrible driver you should be able to manouver your vehicle into one of these parks... they aren't protected by invisible forcefields or whatever... but to do it would be rude, and, well, just not cricket ;)"

I love how everyone is getting up on their high horse about it... there's a reason that the carparks are there, if they weren't considered a necessary convienience, the shopping centres wouldn't have them... if you don't have kids in prams, don't park there... if you're not disabled, don't park in the disabled parks, if you're not Doctor Do-Little, don't park in his car space... it's just common courtesy.

Why would you want to park there anyway.... Highest point of traffic, pedestrians and trolleys going past.... dents, marks, fingerprints, ppl leaning on your vehicle, etc.

I prefer mid-way distance or where there aren't any other idiots nearby. And yet there's ALWAYS someone parked next to you when you come back.

I'm with you Jazzy, I hate looking for a park, so I always park towards the back. I figure it takes you longer to look for a close park than the time you save walking back to it. I don't mind walking an extra 50 metres.

Similar here, but I try to look for car parks near the trolley bays. I am too fucking lazy to get the pram out the back and my boys now big enough to go grab a trolley for his baby brother. Plus chucking them both in it is easier than erecting a pram and screwing around with it.

Plus side is reversing the scene, watching the little guy try to put the trolley back into the bay. Some days he gets it between the rails - Score / Goal / Cheer, other days he gets it between the rail and some other obj'car'ect. Oh well, I praise him for effort, cause now days you cant give a child any negative feedback, it damages them and the political correct know whats best.

Now I am off as I have to get rid of all my red pens as they may be offensive and keep cotton wool proofing my home.

Just to clarify, you load two kids into a shopping trolley?
I like the way you think

lol at all of you who don't just get your manservant to deal with such menial tasks as 'shopping' and 'raising children'

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If I could put the nanny in the shopping trolley to I would. She just doesn't move as fast and always stops to look at sparkly jewerly crap. If your man shopping, you're  MAN shopping where you get in, get the stuff and get out. If its not on the list, dont get it.

Then i suggest you look up what the word akin means.  http://thesaurus.com/browse/akin
notice this part:
Synonyms:    akin, alike, comparable, consonant, convertible, correspondent, corresponding, equivalent, homologous, interchangeable, kindred, like, parallel, related, resembling, undifferentiated, uniform

Hence my use of the term “equating”.

The only sensationalism demonstrated in this debate so far has been from you (see above), and bageled.


I’m sorry, do you think the debate is about whether we know what the signs mean or not?
The debate is about the morality of taking the car space, not whether you are allowed to or not. Hence the nuance. Persoanlly I wouldn’t park in a car park that is reserved for someone specifically, as they are reserved because that person has paid for the space. So taking that space would be theft.


Once again trying to EQUATE this to parking in handicapped zones. Its not the same. I would be quite happy if they converted them all to Handicapped car spaces, wouldn’t have a problem with that. I also wouldn’t have a problem with them if they only applied during the week. But on the weekend it is total nonsense, and why I will continue to park in them if they are free.

Wasn't this thread actually originally initially about using a Bunnings shopping trolley that had a kiddie seat though?   :PDT_Armataz_01_14:

Maybe it's time for potato  ;D

I dont think I have ever seen anyone with a kid in a bunnings trolley .

If you going to talk potato's does that mean loading zones are next

Another thread that has gone off track from the topic that it started as !!!!!!!!!!  :o

but its got better...

That is Death Inc through and through, no topic stays on topic for long :P

So true, i was surprised it took that long to left turn :)

I disagree - the pineapple express is still there, when I saw Julia Gillard and had a talk about the mining tax and how it was going to save lives from the USA economical fiscal cliff. Well I said ....

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