Death Inc

So I hit the post man in my car (by accident). I was at a give way sign, looked both ways, rolled into the intersection, he rode out infront of my car and I slammed on my breaks and stopped as I hit him.

The police called me 2 or so weeks later for me to come make a statement, I wasnt able to while the lady dealing with it was working as I had work myself. So she called me back once every half hour from 7am-11am until while I was TRYING to get ready to go to work, finally was pissed off enough from the calls that I found the police stations number, called the slut back and tried to organize something, she told me to call her back and she works thursday-sunday. Call back on Thursday, shes not even there, I ask the guy if he could let her know I called for her, he sent her an email letting her know.

1 week later, still no call. But Ive received a speeding fine aswell.
My issue is once I take that point for speeding, I will have accumulated 4 points which would be my license lost. I would jump on the 1 point for a year thing, but because I have no flying clue whats going on with the police at the moment if I took the 1 point for a year and then got 3 points for "failing to give way" (even though I gave way and the postie just had a death wish), then Id lose my license for 6 months.

What is suggested to do braahs?

ask someone who loves you to take the hit. You pay the fine they lose the points. You fill out a form saying that they were driving at the time of the offence, assuming it was a speed camera. Otherwise, sell your car, buy a pushbike and hope karma doesn't get you run over.

You're better off taking the 3 months suspension. Nearly everyone I know that did the 1 point thing lost it in a few months then had to take a 6 month suspension. Doesn't matter how careful you are, something stupid will happen.


Ultimately you need to speak to someone qualifed in legal matters and traffic law, not just randoms on the internet. From my experience you're pretty boned though, you won't get out of it without a suspension. The notice of suspension usually takes a good 3 months to arrive too, so just when you thought they'd forgotten about you, it shows up in the mail.

I had a 3 month suspension a few years ago for speeding on my bike (120 in an 80 zone) and it wasn't so bad. I got a lift with a co-worker and it was over quickly.

Cycling to work isn't so bad. I've started cycling to work and home on sunny days, ~55km round trip. Its a bit sad in the rain though

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Lol, this post makes me cry.

mammi talk to me in TS i have seen enough of these with mates and have done myself (163 in a 100 Woops)

if the issue with giving way is decided after the suspension starts it wont affect the suspension as it was an incident prior

but as donut said take the 3 months as its alot easier and afterwards you get all your points back :) and with the 12 month it can be any cop on a power trip and your fucked - probably doable in your car if its roadworthy if you dont drive stupid or speed

Possibly get a statement from neighbors saying that the posties in the area are always zigzagging.  In your statement to police say you stopped, he came out of nowhere (if its a blind corner ie bushes & fences ) take pictures.

State that he was possibly looking at his run sheet because you can't fathom why he would just run out in front of you snd that as he was on the footpath and not on the road and it was not at a pedestrian crossing he was possibly breaking the law by riding a registered vehicle (thus the license plate) on the footpath.

As he was acting in the manner of a pedestrian or a bicycle on a footpath you had right of way,, especially as you did come to a complete stop and look in both directions...a pedestrian would actually have to give way to you.

Regarding the speeding fine...you're fucked!

Hope that helps :)

As Bageled says get some one with more points i.e. not on P's to take the hit, but if you take the 3 month suspension you will have 4 points after rather than one. I coped the 3 months suspension drove like an old lady for the period, still try to and still had 12 points several years later when Bageled who was originaly the carefull driver needed some spare points to avoid losing his licence. bit risky on P's though
But word of advice, your car will not get you there much faster if you speed than if you don't , and is your time really worth $3000.00 an hour to get there 5 min earlier.
I think you are screwed in regards to the postie

Postmen have an exemption in the traffic regulations that allows them to ride on the footpath.

The road I was speeding on is a hard one to do 60 along, its a straight main road thats quite wide. Still no excuse I know, but Im a frustrated teenage P plater, leave me alone ;p

In regards to the postman incident, he wasnt on the foot path, he was on the road and I couldnt see very well around the right of me due to 2 4 wheel drives parked on the side and a tree and a fence and a power box. Harley and his brother were in the car at the time and they were the only people who actually saw the accident. Some random dickhead stuck around though who had his back to the accident the whole time but apparently he was going to make a statement. All the AUS post guys were dicks too, and went off bitching about me saying I was retarded and how didnt I see him because he looked like "big bird on a bike".
He zipped out onto the road, with headphones in (so he probably didnt hear me) and didnt even know I was there until he was in front of my car. Im gathering Ill get the blame though -.-"

Has anyone had any experience with work licenses? I live a good 40 minutes from my work and the public transport is limited in my area. Ill also lose my job (be put into financial hardship) over the Christmas period as Ive been taught how to open and close the store for the busy period of the year.

I am with the postmen on this one how could you hit him when he had right of way and blame him for it?

Accept the fact that you fucked up and hopefully learn from it and keep on trucking.

I slowed down, looked both ways, and rolled into the intersection. I had a give way sign and the post man zipped out onto the road. Its not all my fault.

my bumper was also only just over the line.

my suggestion, find the postie you hit and offer him a blowie to make the whole thing go away, I mean why should a loved one take a hit for your when all you got to do is spit and make it ok.

You can't get a work licence on your p's. need a full licence for that and you have to take or to court and ask the magistrate. They don't just give them out.



I've seen some posties do pretty stupid things, it's obvious they haven't done any defensive rider training. As a rider myself i know how easy it is to Not be seen By cars (bikes often perfectly hide behind the pillars as the driver creeps forward, high vis Dont help there) and you have to take it upon yourself to avoid danger where you can. Regardless it's your word vs. the posties and you're on your p's so you're fucked.

I don't know if you can do the 1 point thing if you're on your P's but if you do try to avoid driving as much as you can. To work and back and urgent errands only. Qld cops are cunts, they will pick on you and they can ticket you for basically anything even without evidence. The state pushes them to issue tickets to raise revenue. They are nowhere near as bad in nsw.

One of my friends got a work license and they were on their P's :\

Well I was reading from http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/publications/Factsheets-and-guides/Legal-information-guides/are-you-going-to-lose-your-driver-licence/Documents/laguwl-complete.pdf which says "Provisional licence holders irrespective of age are not eligible to apply for a work licence"

Just further proof that you are barking up the wrong tree by asking on the internet and not a qualified legal professional :)

I see you're in Petrie. Although it's not close, you can get free legal advice through the Caxton Legal Centre in South Brisbane (see http://www.caxton.org.au/general_service.html (http://www.caxton.org.au/general_service.html) for more information). Prepare a list of the facts and questions you want to have answered. They'll generally provide you with some advice about the best way to proceed. It pays to arrive well before the start time as there is usually 5-10 people already in waiting when the doors open at 6pm. I've used them several times and they have always been quite helpful.

There are also a couple of other free community legal services in the Moreton Bay Council Region as well (see http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/legalinformation/Pages/Where-to-get-help.aspx]http://www.qails.org.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=67[/url).

Legal Aid Queensland will also give you free Legal Advice over the phone for traffic matters or at one of their offices (see [url]http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/legalinformation/Pages/Where-to-get-help.aspx (http://www.qails.org.au/01_cms/details.asp?ID=67[/url).

Legal Aid Queensland will also give you free Legal Advice over the phone for traffic matters or at one of their offices (see [url)).

Best of luck

This, many times this.

Now youve put your word in Harry its obvious Im barking up the wrong tree.

move to mexico. you can't lose points on your licence in a foreign country

Well now we're getting somewhere with the problem solving!

Depends. Do you have a passport? If not you still not making progress.

Epic FAIL! I have been driving for 20+ years... In a professional manner. Be it 70T "B" Doubles or Semi Trailers.I am on the road 15 hours a day and I see everything from the driving position This is your answer, accept your responsibility's and accept the fact that you have treated your licence like a right and like any other teenager fucked up! Here is a simple question for you. You NEED to answer this honestly, how many times have you used your mobile whilst driving ?  

As for a work licence, you DO NOT deserve it. No one does. As for hitting anything let alone a postie with fluoro everything and a huge orange flag on a pole attached to his bike WTF ?

The road is a danger ZONE! You are in control of a weapon! Respect it like you would a gun. Driving is not a game! As for speeding... suck shit you were caught. I HAVE never been booked driving a heavy vehicle nor had an accident, the reason why..I pay fucken attention. I have zero sympathy for you or anyone else who does not respect the road and the rules.

As for asking all of us and looking at ways of retaining your licence is pure bullshit. All of you trying to help her escape her responsibility's , wake the fuck up.

Mam has done the wrong thing, simple as that, if she shot you in the leg with a gun, would your response be the same? If she had hit you, would your response be the same, if it were a mate or family member, would your response be the same? 

Sammy  8)

If you were in my position you'd feel the same as me mate, so you can fuck right off and eat my dick. All respect for you has been lost.
How you can say that I dont deserve one is retarded. Do you realise the impact of not having a license has on some people? I would lose my job, losing my job would mean I have no money for food, rent, bills. The only reason I got my job was because I had my license and was able to work whenever. If you say youre some kind of fucking gypsy to the roads then you would have seen the way some people on bikes fucking ride.

Yes the speeding is my fault, and Ive not said that it isnt. I came on here to seek the experiences some people have had/heard of to help in aiding myself with a solution and for you to be as rude and retarded as you are, just shows youre not even worthy of me listening to.

I can almost promise you that you've probably fucked up before yourself. You have a temper like a fucking bull on crack and most likely a grumpy cunt on the road because of it.

If you dont have something helpful to say then fuck off because its not wanted.

Also if you have half a brain, postmen dont have flags on their bikes anymore, its not the 60's.
And Im unsure about you, but I dont have xray vision to be able to see through objects like cars and trees.

Internet gaming forums aren't the best places to get sound legal advice.

Also calling everyone "rude and retarded" isn't the best way of getting people on your side.

PS,

Drive good in future

I haven't called anyone aside from Sammy rude and retarded.

I can't afford to pay someone nor is there any point bothering when I haven't even made a statement yet.

I don't drive dangerously now so that won't be a problem in the future.

Directed at everybody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniqrAFQ3y8

Lol, SAmmy served it up steaming hot, and sometimes the truth is a bitter pill to swallow.
If you're worried about losing your job take teh 12 months on one point and drive careful. I've done it, I spent a year religously obeying every road rule and driving under constant paranoia was tough, but I am a better/safer driver for it.

Thanks most likely what ill be doing. I've heard from Harley's cousin who works for the same post office that the man wasn't the one to contact the police and doesn't blame me for the accident. The post office called the police so they can put through their workers compensation.

To be fair, you have gotten a speeding ticket and you did drive in to your postman...  ;)

when i was 19 i lost 3 points for speeding, then another 3 for going through a stop sign (the day before it was a give way and the had not yet painted the solid line on the ground yet, and the were booking everyone that rolled through it, was a revenue raising annoying thing). then whilst they were processing that one i got done for speeding again. end result i lost my licence for 3 months then had to take 1 point for a year.

as such i became so so careful about respecting road rules that i have not lost a point or gotten a fine since.....untill i moved to Africa, then in my first week of owning my RX8 i got done doing 130 in a 100 zone, i couldnt bribe my way out of that one but i did talk them down to a 100 ZAR fine, so it cost me $11.10AU, i was happy.


and in advance of you all, someone will say, "cool story bro"

cool story bro

At the end of the day, you have asked for advice and opinions and I took the time to give you mine.  You chose not to accept it.

The point really is that you did the wrong thing, you broke the law (altough you didn't think about the fact that you need your job to survive) and now whether you like it or not, responsibility needs to be taken no matter what the consequences are.

We have all made mistakes in life and we have all at some point had to take responsibility, whether we like it or not, that's life.

I drive trucks for a living and see some horrible things on the road every day I drive and the majority of these mistakes comes through carelessness.  I guess you could say that poor driving hits a tender nerve.

There are Citizen Advice Bureau's in each state to help people that can not afford legal assistance, their assistance is free......perhaps that is an option for you.

Either way, lesson learn't??

...how are people posting from the future; oh right! Daylight savings! Duh.

Mami, sorry to hear you're in a pickle at the moment; hope things work out somehow. Just drive carefully and conscientiously/considerately for a year, learn from the whole experience and learn the road rules inside out so you know what the go is, where the radar and others stake out points are in your area/regular routes, main roads, etc and you'll be right.

Jazzy. Why not drive at the speed limit? That way you don't have to look or know where the speed traps are.

Shits me at work listening to people whine about traps and I ask them why they speed. They have no valid answer or response.

I usually do drive at the speed limit and have never received a ticket or lost demerits :D

The comment regarding radars and cameras was more for Mami's benefit - coz if she's on one point and gets done on a downward slope speedo trap for example just cause she's 1-2 Km's over from momentum, or gets stuck in an intersection because other drivers are idiots that'd suck.

The whole 'don't speed and you won't get caught' thing is a fallacy anyway- it assumes cops are infallible which is not true.

I know of at least 3 people in QLD who got falsely fined for speeding when they were not, (I was in the car with one, one took it to court and won because everyone the cop had booked that day got done for exactly the same speed i.e. revenue raising, and another took it to court to say that the cop had targeted the vehicle beside him as it overtook him, but the judge ruled he wasn't allowed to question the officer's method of operating the equipment).
Plus the speed camera near byron bay on the  hill was widely reputed to be faulty, as many people with otherwise spotless driving records (old grannies and such) were getting fined by it, a community group was going to take it to court but I didn't hear what the outcome was.

But yes, if you willingly speed and get caught then you got to cop it on the chin.

You hit someone.  If it wasn't a head on collision, you're at fault, regardless of intent. Accept responsibility for your actions, come to terms with the fact that you did fuck up, cop it on the chin, and get on with life.

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It just fucks me off when they put them at the top of hills, momentum and acceleration are a bitch

According to some research reducing the amount of driver aids on the road eg speed limits, warning signs etc has resulted in a reduction in accidents.

The theory is that people are more alert and cautious when not relying on signs etc. In one case they removed speed limits entirely and the average car when made to make their own decision about the suitable speed for the road traveled slower than what the original speed limit was.

i remember someone telling me in some country (unsure) there is no speed limits, just if the cop thinks your driving way too fast they can book you for unsafe driving. i say bring that on!!!